This goes around in circles. Hawthorn don't require rep players to play domestic at HBA, so those whose clubs have moved to Camberwell can still play rep with Magic. Safe to say it’s Hawthorn doing the 'tearing down’ via email to every member they have had in the past 10 years. Sounds like they’re all good without the breakaway teams. Given how much more power and lobbying comes from AFL, soccer, cricket, etc, bb has to fight hard for every $ and cannot afford to risk losing any funding it gets.Maybe I’m being a bit pessimistic here, but given the way the AFL and its sycophantic media loves to put the boot into basketball, I can see this thing going beyond just the Hoops readership at some stage. Creating doubt and actively attempting to impact participation?! Also seems they know it and are trying to hide it? The reason Hawthorn went downhill so quickly was that they tended to stop paying for things like venue hire and expenses like first aid equipment upfront to make sure the competitions were functional. Not what I expected when I asked the original question, but thought it was a topic that wasn't being explained that effects lots of kids playing the game. Not much to ask, but gives transparency and results in accountability. You don't need to be a brain surgeon to read between the lines of the financial reports and the tabloid spin and guff that has been put out there by Hawthorn. Would be terrible to cut an existing rep player, just to fit in a kid who is moving for whatever reason. But kids don't play in their local area, and council areas don’t mean anything ... just who you pay your rates to for garbage collection. Surely it is time for BV to make its findings and for things to move on, kids want to play sport and Hawthorn need to accept what has happened , own it and stop the confusion they are causing with all the emails to people.It is not helping parents or kids to get back onto court. Hawthorn have always taken the stance that members money is theirs and they can spend it how they like . So there is an investigation statement from BV, and then?? The boys I believe have a few healthy age groups still.Time will tell.Anybody know what the fees are going to be at Magic?They are already very high compared to other clubs but surely people don’t try out without knowing what they are signing up for financially? This actually increased their costs significantly. I.e there is no domestic comp this year?If so, this makes them another version of Melbourne Tigers in that they are a rep club without an association. I can say with 100% certainty, despite the denials above, there are lots of Hawthorn rep players (high teams) registered to try out elsewhere. $825 is way too much. In this dynamic new book, Stephen Morrow examines the changing face of football, looking at issues such as the role of the stock exchange, the viability of the stakeholder approach, the 'new economics' of football including the role of ... That’s great! Going to be v painful for the seconds teams. Wonder if they meant it! If and I ask "if" a domestic comp is going to happen when they have stated it will start this year, how? Who needs TV?! It seems BV report to Hawthorn. Diminishing the confidence of the community is a big deal. If it wasn't kids basketball , you'd think it was a pyramid scheme. Installation type, backboard size and material, adjustability, and warranty are all important factors to consider when selecting a basketball hoop. If they follow BA's investigation process, expect a release at 5pm on a Friday in about 4 month's time. Hawthorn are not the only club that lose their way like that though, so let's not pretend Hawthorn are the only club in that basket. Maybe they could go to Werribee , seeing junior Rep at Hawthorn has some Werribee paid kids playing , so the rumours say! Reply #873793 | Report this post. Why merge associations , why should some other Association take on HBA debt . If you don't want to read it, ignore it. How long will Hawthorn stay in VJBL? BigV.Their women's coach walked out because of the way the club treated the other coaches in the program... at least that’s what I heard. The clubs rise has been a house of cards, rich inner east folks throwing money around at junior coaches for years to attract talent. Obviously not. BH should crawl back under their rock and let clubs play where they want. What is happening with Hawthorn's senior teams? As a magician myself, I heard that Magic only have 400 people trying out across the club? I wonder whether Jason's links to Hawthorn as the former operations manager are what was the reason that they ended up entering their club/teams in Hawthorn's domestic competition?Ironic that Hawthorn did not think that their little lie about these for profit clubs being a problem with basketball at Hawthorn wouldn't be exposed either hahahahahahahahaha.Have no idea why Jason Weidemann left Hawthorn too. Way more than others in the area which are around $600. No Big V program. Using a range of national case studies from Europe and beyond, this book analyses the political, economic, social and regulatory issues raised in relation to the buying and selling of television sports rights. Why do I care? Baller65 All the EDJBA clubs are in full preparation mode for the upcoming seasson. Close to a $200k loss for that year for the senior Magics. Filled with dozens of games, puzzles, and activities, this book shows kids how to be a wizard on the court, hitting jumpers like Jordan while also learning the importance of teamwork. The new GM is hopefully looking into all that. Meanwhile fees were also going up well above inflation for both rep and domestic causing irritation and concern with members and even leading to some teams leaving. Agree! Really this was shortlived as through the changes to the constitution when the board voted on roles he was dumped and quit the board. During this time too there were also multiple changes to the board with the incumbent president who had been responsible for the take over quitting and his hand picked successor was appointed to the role. Seems they still plan to run domestic with the bobcats as a marque club? They’re a good option for locations where space does not allow for an in-ground goal. Must be doing something right. From portable basketball hoops on wheels to basketball goals you can mount to the wall, there are plenty of hoops to choose from. The size of the domestic junior comp had also slightly contracted too since the new board took over thanks to the ways which they chose to manage the competition. Girls coach was a cricket player boys played seabl at best? All Goalrilla goals have a tempered glass backboard for consistent rebounding across the glass. Councils don’t even fund any bball, really. And hawthorn is the only place I've heard of charging a $95 team sheet fee to teams for weeks they have a bye (ignoring the refund policy issue)…. Two weeks ago. Then good on these clubs for being so brave as to make a move. our club was asked for money up front with no refunds offered BEFORE the league told them they were in any debt at all. The VJBLs sole purpose is to provide a pathway for National teams? This book, originally published in 1941, carries a new introduction by William J. Baker, a professor of history at the University of Maine, Orono. He is the author of Jesse Owens: An American Life and Sports in the Western World. But the user needs to pay for that. Needs to be said again, all domestic comps prop up association senior representative pathways (BigV/NBL1) to some extent. No one worried one of those listed is new ceo of Ba? The backboard of your basketball hoop is an important part of the selection process. Think they need to say something, and hopefully soon. My friend took one of those roles for a year and they had hardly ever coached before! Something like that. They got told to bugger off by one venue a few years ago that they had been using for years and regularly because they apparently owed them $150,000 in hire. They're totally responsible for the issues that the club has and have been happily funnelling $ into the Magic part which has been both excessive and outside their means. If that’s so stop the misinformation and confusing members . Fees $950 for 2022 season per child. I assume they got a tshirt and drink bottle or something too (surely!!!). When possible, you’ll want to consider the angle of the goal and position it facing north so the sun will be at your back as long as possible. Raising the bat for a 100 post thread. Furthermore other significant changes were made to infrastructure used such as moving from a fairly low cost office to an office which was significantly more expensive. Doesn’t even include a wand.Dumbledore is prone to stretching the truth though.Not sure how many teams are playing in their domestic competition but I suspect it will be limited to a 1 venue affair. Other associations do not and should ... if I was on a board at one of the associations that is exactly what I would be requiring so that everyone has a full and transparent view of the association. If it's 400 across boys and girls and across 12, 14, 16 and 18, then that is 50 per age group. In the interests of all the kids who play, parents, coaches, volunteers and basketball faithful it's time that a clear and decisive answer and explanation as to how Basketball Hawthorn is going to move ahead . Move on and stop trying to tear people down who after all are just volunteering. - and to shoot straight I'm disappointed that it’s gone this way. Just disappearing into the shadows? 5. I’ve definitely heard hawthorn people boast about being a 'destination club’. How many of the Big V players at Hawthorn actually game thru the Magic Jnr program .... ummm .. currently 3.So Domestic have been paying for 4 Big V teams .. 40 players and very few are from Magic... that is crapThat's not a pathway ... it is arrogance dressed up as a aspiration for kids to look up too .. so wrong. Hawthorns privacy policy is on there website , so are the financials, auditors report and constitution, refund policy has been blockedMaybe have a read and see what is going on. If BV knew and supported the clubs leaving what's the expected outcome of their investigation??? Bit of a mystery. Educate yourself please before you make these comments. Until I saw it, I didn't know melbourne were in any trouble. Everyone is expect an answer to many many questions. Also, explore NBA TV & League Pass subscriptions to watch live games on your favorite devices. And how much share of the liability will BV carry, if they knew of the financial issues before now? Kids have been coming in to Magic from all over - Eltham, Dandenong, Tigers. From the outset when clubs first found out that the association refused to refund fees for cancelled seasons/unplayed games there were multiple complaints made by the clubs including to the regulatory bodies as well. It looks from discussion above as if they were before COVID hit anyway? Chelsea is very happy with this topic BTW. Bobcats? Quietly. (Don't worry, we'll never use your email for anything other than keeping you informed about upcoming sales - we hate spam too!). The real question is WHY BV have done nothing about Hawthorn when supposedly been trading for years as insolvent , Clubs reach out for help and shut them down with a "it's an association issue".Maybe BV need to be investigated ? 60″ Goalrilla Goals » Slow news day! I immediately thought of the positive BS Pyramid Building Society put out just before they bombed. So LGAs are irrelevant and it’s a bit of a silly statement that kids should represent their local LGA. so I think it will be the option 3Clubs leaving isn’t good for anyone including the clubs themselves. Why did they enter Big V this year? No one has actually said how much the debt actually is... Just merge the two. What I don't understand is why anyone would be so desperate to play - or so free with their money - that they'd pony up lots of $$ when they're not certain to play games and there are no refunds whenever games aren't played. Promising developments?There is no chance these clubs will be going back to Hawthorn. So seems like the former staff member of hawthorn jason weidemann is working for the organisation sports administration services which handles the bobcats management amongst other things too. What is the aim of the VJBL? Fleming has left to coach at the jumping jacks. Based on months of reporting in the exclusive, confined environment, this is an entertaining record of an extraordinary season. That will be disruptive to Camberwell, as much as Hawthorn. Shipping times are slower: All carriers continue to report increased shipping volumes and worker shortages. Uniform suppliers? Donotreach Maybe they just go the tigers route and have no domestic comp to work with/from? The Clubs suggesting cutting the Senior Magic , big V programs until they could afford it again , but the Board said it was an integral part of their strategic plan and pathway plan . Camberwell won't agree to a merger so it doesn't matter. Isn't one of the current or former board members now at Basketball Australia, and another former one on a committee at Basketball Victoria? Starting to err on the side of slander with the current emails they are putting out, Yep , more sticking the hand out for money for a comp that will not get off the ground , with no refund for parents/teams that have registered.Just money grabbing - no care - no responsibilityYou think BH would have learn something by now, seems not.   THey complained that junior magic was not getting adequately funded by the association and that the then general manager was being paid too much for his role, neither which were true. Subaru's FB25 was a 2.5-litre horizontally-opposed (or 'boxer') four-cylinder petrol engine. Finished? I know which association I want my kids playing for , one that acts responsibly, has values and has true team work at heart, which is what community sport should be about .Not winning at all costs , and ripping off families ! You would hope not! HBA trying hard to win the spin battle. Fast forward and the new GM was appointed to the association who was simply very disliked by multiple stakholders. Don't think hawthorn spent much this year on BigV.And doubt Camberwell will be displacing loyal Camberwell kids for Hawthorn kids.Wait and see, *spent much on player payments this year*, Well a source inside Magic said they racked up $120K debt for Biv V , so funds are going somewhere for 4 teams. Frankston's is $500 or $550 which is probably a little low considering their coaching lineup (all volunteers). Surely that is a lot more than other associations! Rumour has it AGM will be early this year. No hidden agenda, very refreshing really. Take A Sneak Peak At The Movies Coming Out This Week (8/12) Best Reactions to Movies Out Now In Theaters; New Movie Releases This Weekend: November 19-21 One of the most popular options is to install the goal at the edge of a driveway. $890 plus $1 per game and $25 to try out. So many parents of Hawthorn VJBL players have so many unanswered questions. I'm not sure BV really care. Standard compliance of BV constitution for Associations for Membership 6.2 (e) Compliance of member associations provide BV with copies of its annual financial statements and annual report and other associated documents including but not only evidence of its incorporated status, details of its officer bearers and its membership data within 30 days of the Member Association's annual general meeting; So if Hawthorn had been submitting financials BV should be all over it , then again Treasure admitted they hadn't done in 4 years and was unaware they needed to! If you love to play outside, look for outdoor basketball hoops you can place in the ground for stability. And they keep implying it's not them being investigated in their communications. ^ think BV will be forced to change that rule through necessity. Poor governance and financial compliance... they need to be held accountable... interested_baller Spent an enormous amount on Magic uniforms $150K but no buyers for them and some needed to be written of as it had old sponsorship on it. 小学生生字表，一年级至六年级，分上下册，并可查看各个字的详细解释。 ^ think BV will be forced to change that rule through necessity. a season? I gotta say I do enjoy coming back to this thread. I think they need to completely re brand and get away from these troubled years as the reputation will stick for a long time! Pre-COVID, Hawthorn was found to be in debt around $980k in fact. And the domestic clubs there as a group are doing something about it.Funny that they are spitting hate at for profit clubs yet enlisting the bobcats: another for profit club (I'm sure a really great one at that). © 2021 BasketballGoalStore.com Suspect this has since been eaten into across the last 18mths, but that is massive. Don’t know much about magic. At what point are the Board at Hawthorn actually own up and take responsibility for the mess.Domestic have funded them for years and tried to work through the issue, but it is never the Boards fault!Nice to blame Clubs for the downfall of Big V, what a load of crap - ALL Hawthorns doing.Plus the BV investigation is about Hawthorn what has gone on for 12 clubs to leave... more spin and arrogance. Reckon there are about two or three negative contribute here just saying the same thing over and over. But maybe a less than graceful step down from the community built throne will come with some lessons on how to treat people and manage money? A number of rep clubs coaches are 100% volunteers. Last 7 days: 566. Before covid , there was NO refund policy .Clubs followed BH constitution and BV constitution, as required. Hawthorn, just exit stage left and we can all just move forward. This is all a real shame. Yes they overspent and then went to the wall when COVID hit which says alot about whatever the financial model was, but this is domestic not rep or Big V and why you would use that money to prop up senior prorgams is beyond me. Under the first board change, the financial changes started with a complete gutting of domestic costs. Wow. Price. ' Not true, actually. In The Talent Code, award-winning journalist Daniel Coyle draws on cutting-edge research to reveal that, far from being some abstract mystical power fixed at birth, ability really can be created and nurtured. Anyone know what the try out numbers are like at Magics. What about this investigation? You know more than we do.If it goes that far, there will be a lot of unhappy players and parents (& people owed money by HBA). Ivanhoe Knights are a domestic club which play in the EDJBA. Basically they owe everyone , venues , ATO , BV, not sure about staff entitlements. BV should have some understanding of what has / is going on at Hawthorn. "Congrats Hawthorn on joining Chelsea, Keysy and RMIT for in the elite club 100 post club, Pretty sure one of the 38 Chelsea posts last year cracked 3 hunge. So BV never followed up these financials? The mental health strain this board has put on staff has been enormous - pushing a plan that staff don't align with morally or on a personal value basis.You don't rip your community off! Not a great leadership style in a community level association. Also issues of compromise of interest , having 4 paid staff members on the Magic Board at BH , that's should be ringing alarm bells too ! Then imagine your community being ok with that? That’s when you get real transparency and therefore accountability... that’s just proper governance. Give us a direction. #192 you obviously don't have a clue about what happened. Delivery is curbside and we recommend having someone to help with receiving the product. That is ridiculous!$950 + game fees to play rep is steep - many other nearby clubs around $600 mark + game fees. Perhaps change was necessary, but seems a new management with that same drive is hard to come by. Woah! Tom Maher never played. It's a shame to see all of this come about. I haven't been in those sort of meetings in a long time so that price could of gone up, Thought Rep was meant to be for local kid who play in local comp.. not for outer regional Melbourne ... long way to drive for training 2 times a week .. that Sunday early am would be a killer. Hope they designed the logo themselves. 20/20 is a wonderful thing, and the world ain’t perfect. They would be volunteers. Accessories and parts will be shipped via UPS or FedEx Ground. Not so sure about that ! Seems like an undertone of we can charge what we want, what are they gonna do about it? That's interest seeing venues are screaming for money that they owe , drip feeding payments over 3 years, There is no way Hawthorn can claim continuing Magic will be feasible without domestic $ considering they run magic and the dmoestic parts together.Not to mention that they owe somewhere around $900K too apparently. If it was not for COVID the full extend of the debt would not have been realised ! Hope those Big V player moving don't expect to get paid as some where at Hawthorn , might be a rude awakening for some !! They need to attend meetings, annual general meetings, and extraordinary meetings. We would get rid of Chelsea, Keyborough, Westgate, Camberwell. Dropped by half of the normal number that tryout at Hawthorn. As I said building a house sand. Big V costs, at last time I knew a YL team was at least $8K a season. Noblesville, IN 46060 | (317) 773-3545 I think a well run and transparent association would disclose their financials on their website (and not just to the few people that rock up to an AGM), with appropriate segmented reporting. BLACK FRIDAY SALE: Goalrilla Goals Over 40% off MSRP! $825 and $95 team sheets is way overs. You may be surprised as it goes towards uniforms. If you were to change the rule per say we could have all joined the new association and would have had 6 players potenitally playing in the same team the following year due to ages. There should be only 1 association per LGA. The investigation will find BV at least partially at fault and so they will say nothing. Analysing the trends that are emerging in sport enterprises such as advancements in technology and social media, the authors of this illuminating book tackle the issue of how to create new opportunities in such a changing industry. Don’t reference that $70 team sheet please. Could be more or less than that now? Oh and why is BV’s levy included in your refund pie chart , those funds go to BV for insurance , way to sque financial data in you favour ... More LIES, more MISINFORMATION , just total DESPERATION …. Our accessories are shipped via UPS/Fedex ground. BasketballGoalStore.com will meet or beat the price of any exact product model sold online! That's $300 more registration fees than my association. I know of a Hawthorn mens player getting $500 a game under the table when the club was telling everyone that they were not paying player last year. If you are in a toxic, abusive and undermining relationship , you leave .Clubs left BH due to ongoing frustration and arrogance from the Board , financial demands on members to pay a debt that wasn't incurred by them , then continued to profit thru the refund policy BH implemented to further prop up the Assoc. Or maybe only refunding 50% of that for games cancelled for Covid. not much choice ay?I heard the board are bullying the clubs behind the scenes and via their mates on socials. Posts: 904,989 | Under resourced and over priced domestic competition? All our distribution centers are taking the necessary safety precautions to keep everyone safe. It is interesting that HBA used to report on a segmental basis, showing revenue and surplus / deficit for each program. Happily allowed those clubs to do the work to grow the association and thens pent the money in anything but the general member. Hawthorne no different to the rest of us. Both men and women will play Div 1. I thought Hawthorn parents would be a little more educated than to be having a whinge on a forum. BV are still investigating into issues at Hawthorn .Hawthorn should be rebuilding Magic junior and Senior domestic comp and stop the shape shifting and blame. 7 out of 8 were playing VC. No idea about the rights and wrongs here but the idea of Hawthorn being aggrieved by "poaching"...…I'm sure a few other associations would be saying something about pot….kettle…black. Hawthorn had their chances but arrogance and incompetence finished them.BV should make an example of Hawthorn. They were screwing the domestic clubs big time. I am sure they would love to hear from you ! Especially their Big V program. 10k? They will support their players to play with whichever rep club they choose. Will Hawthorn be around in 12 months? It was definitely 10k for the big names. 病院は2021å¹´10月1日をもちまして医療法人桂名会に事業譲渡いたしました。 事業譲渡後は「大須病院」として、現在地にて診療体制及び診療時間の変更はなく運営しておりますので、これまでどおり受診いただけます。 they are in such a bad way now. But going to awks all round. As I stated the magic have been nothing but a positive experience from my point of view and I have been around the game for probably too long. what other clubs play at CDBA?? Financially irresponsible!Should have taken the year off. Kindly note certain events may require an R.S.V.P or registration. Boring.Basketball Victoria: finish this off so it's not a talking point any more. Easy to blame the domestic clubs, but the debt, the over spend, the BigV program were all issues for years. Possibly losing MSAC? ^^ yep they're bagging the 'for profit’ they had who is all about the members & jumping in bed with this bloke who is all about the dollars. Not a lot of confidential information here, it's all in their press releases and financials online. A relevant question for a domestic basketball family who does not play rep is how much of my fees are being used for my kid and the programme offered to my kid, and how much is being used for rep / senior programme?Seems that Hawthorn is learning a lesson about how important it is to look after the domestic clubs, which support the broader programme. What do others pay? Any reader can search newspapers.com by registering. Relax Coach I saw that post before it was deleted too. Interesting that prior comms from Hawthorn had the GM name on it , the fabrication of lies and spinning of BV statement from Hawthorn on Friday night , had from them 'Board'... new GM has more credibility / honesty to put his name to a false statement . It's laughable really.$50 to register a team$25 to register a player. Some associations have a policy of working out how many returning kids there are, give them a position and from there working out how many they take through to either fill spots or if they have extra capacity create new teams. hoopie - I wonder how they afford to pay the admin and coaches (and the senior players) the same amount with a reduced number of teams? Failure to do so just raises questions. Current board members are listed on Hawthorns website , under contact us , at the bottom , all details are their if you would like to make direct contact and make your feeling and thoughts heard ! You have got to be feeling for those local kids trying to get back out there. Wow. The board seems to have tried to strong arm through all this. No-one cares apart from a couple of fanatical idiots. Hawthorn advertising for new head coaches. They still have a senior domestic comp 159 teams, but no ClubsSnr domestic is run during the week, teams opt in and pay on a weekly basisUnlike the Clubs who had to pay for 5 round up front and had a extorsion refund policy applied to them , keeping 100% first 2 rounds lost to covid and 50% per round after that - equated to 2/3 or the seasons fees they tried to keep. He'd have to have been there while all of this mess was going on though. Very quiet on the eastern front ? Basketball Victoria obviously have their hands full making sure basketball survives in those two areas. What did it say exactly? Maybe paid for? Similar numbers for FY 2018.Not hard from those numbers to draw a line between the financial support (unwitting, for the most part) provided by domestic juniors and the senior program. Hawthorn have a group undermining the board. Hearing some promising developments are on the horizon... Like what , that Hawthorn will be charged for trading while in solvent , to taking members money while not providing a service .. that would be good.. justice at last! Add tournaments and entry fees, probably paying a few thousand to play junior basketball. And did the board members know about it before Covid? Hmmm...that's a worry. Some of the posts on Instagram are interesting. On boys side, they have 7 teams ranked in the top 24 of the age groups (2 in 12s, 2 in 14s, 2 in 16s and 1 in 18s). The issue isn't profit or not for profit Clubs , all have been working in that competition space collectively for years . I thought associations had to report to basketball Victoria? Strange how Hawthorn can now do basketball at a reason price, yet it too Clubs to move for Hawthorn to be competitive ... or is that desperate … will not be sustainable with the debt and massive overheads they have. Crazy stuff for that little leafy pocket of Melbourne. Safe to say that as the recruited kids now head back to their local clubs Hawthorn will have lost out on their own kids too. Safe to say those domestic clubs won't be back. If I was a player at Camberwell (BigV or VJBL) I would be seriously annoyed if my spot in a team was lost to someone coming over from Hawthorn. Whoever mentioned before I agree with: pay your coaches well! The Goalrilla warranty protects against manufacturer defects for as long as you own the goal! Extract from the recent announcement by Basketball Hawthorn: " While we definitely want to see our domestic competition thrive, Hawthorn Magic's financial success is not dependent upon it. I suggest it is hard to justify that on the basis that domestic junior (basically grassroots basketball) is really not there / should not be there to pay for seniors who don’t pay their way.

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